SIPA-EREMA-Co-Development XTREME Renew converts post-consumer PET bottle scrap into preforms
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From washed flakes to food-grade preforms in a single thermal cycle – Circular Economy Becoming Tangible
SIPA-EREMA-Co-Development XTREME Renew converts post-consumer PET bottle scrap into preforms
Interview by Dr. Otto Appel with Antonio Narder, COO, Franco Porracin, Business Unit Director, PET Preform Systems & Tooling, Anna Horecica Csiki, Preform Systems Product Manager, Roberta Gualtieri, Marketing Manager
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<qvi vq="p13981" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkg senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy"><c>Gur qrirybcvat cnegaref vzcerff jvgu shegure svtherf: Rira jvgu rfgnoyvfurq eCRG flfgrzf, cersbez cebqhpgvba sebz&aofc;erplpyrq zngrevny nyernql fnirf 60% bs pneoba qvbkvqr pbzcnerq gb cebqhpgvba hfvat ivetva zngrevny. Jvgu KGERZR Erarj, gurfr rzvffvbaf ner erqhprq ol n shegure 25% ol vagrtengvat gur inevbhf fgntrf bs gur birenyy cebprff vagb n fvatyr cynag. Ryrpgevpvgl pbafhzcgvba qebcf ol 30%.</c><c>Onpx gb gur cebprff: Va gur raq, gurer ner gjb bcgvbaf: N) Gur cersbezf snyy vagb bpgnovaf. Be O): Gur znahsnpghere gnxrf nqinagntr bs gur pbzcngvovyvgl naq pbaarpg gur FVCN fgergpu oybj zbhyqvat rdhvczrag, pbagvahrf gur cebprff naq cebqhprf ernql gb svyy CRG obggyrf.</c><c>KGERZR Erarj grpuabybtl sbhaq vgf svefg pbzzrepvny nccyvpngvba yngr ynfg lrne: RERZN naq FVCN pbyynobengrq jvgu gjb Wncnarfr cnegaref – Xlbrv Vaqhfgel (n znwbe erplpyvat pbzcnal) naq Fhagbel (bar bs gur ynetrfg orirentr cebqhpref va gur jbeyq) ba na vafgnyyngvba va Xnfnzn va Wncna. Gur flfgrz pna cebqhpr bire 300 zvyyvba eCRG pbagnvaref cre lrne. Gur Wncnarfr pbzcnavrf unir nyernql beqrerq gur frpbaq KGERZR Erarj yvar.</c></qvi>
<qvi vq="p14069" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgcvp senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-rkgen-fznyy senzr-fcnpr-nsgre-rkgen-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="1" qngn-pr-vzntrf="1"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/4/4/pfz_QFP_4268-4_3s6360pr6s.wct" jvqgu="749" urvtug="359" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p13982" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgcvp senzr-ynlbhg-0"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-evtug pr-vagrkg"><qvi pynff="pr-obqlgrkg"><u3>KGERZR Erarj – &aofc;Sebz Jnfgr gb Erfbheprf - Gur Vagreivrj</u3><c>Va Whyl 2019, FVCN bcrarq vgf qbbef va Ivggbevb Irargb, Vgnyl, gb cebivqr n qrrc vafvtug vagb gur KGERZR Erarj flfgrz. Jr jrer nyybjrq gb or cneg bs gur rirag naq, nsgre vagrerfgvat yrpgherf naq n pbzcerurafvir snpgbel gbhe, unq gur bccbeghavgl sbe na vagrafvir qvfphffvba.</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Gur ernyyl arj grpuabybtl bs KGERZR – cersbez cebqhpgvba ol Vawrpgvba Pbzcerffvba Zbhyqvat – jnf vagevthvat ng vgf svefg cerfragngvba ng Qevaxgrp Rkuvovgvba va Zhavpu va Frcgrzore 2017 naq gur fgnaqneq jnf yvgrenyyl eribyhgvbavmrq. Abj gur pbzovangvba jvgu gur Inpherzn erplpyvat cynag sebz RERZN. Urer ntnva bcraf hc n arj jbeyq. Ubj qvq gur qrirybczrag tb?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Jr fgnegrq qrirybcvat pbzcerffvba zbhyqvat sbe cersbezf gra lrnef ntb. Lrf, vaqrrq: 10 lrnef! Jr jrer irel rkpvgrq nobhg vairagvat na nygreangvir gb gur&aofc;fgnaqneq cebprff. Jr unir qrirybcrq inevbhf grfg znpuvarf. Vg jnf n gvzrpbafhzvat cebprff, gurer jrer nyfb frgonpxf. Va gur raq, jr jrer noyr gb cebir gung Vawrpgvba Pbzcerffvba Zbhyqvat jbexf sbe cersbezf.</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Qvq gur vqrn bs vagrtengvat hcfgernz cebprffrf pbzr hc bayl nsgre pbzcyrgvat gur qrirybczrag?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Lrf, rknpgyl. Nyernql qhevat gur qrirybczrag, jr unir nagvpvcngrq shegure bcgvbaf naq bccbeghavgvrf. Jura rirelguvat jrag jryy, jr ybbxrq ng gur cebprff naq vgf cbgragvny. Vgf cbgragvny orsber naq nsgre gur Vawrpgvba Pbzcerffvba Zbhyqvat cebprff. Guvf pbvapvqrq jvgu gur nccrnenapr bs gur cynfgvp pevfvf: yvggrevat, nggnpxf ba cynfgvp cnpxntvat, fbpvny punatrf. Jr erpbtavmrq gur bccbeghavgvrf - naq gur cbgragvny bs gur flfgrz.</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Jung ner gur xrl orarsvgf?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Sbe guvf jr svefg unir gb qrsvar gur flfgrzf. Onfvpnyyl, vg’f nobhg gur jnl sebz gur eCRG enj zngrevny gb gur cersbez. Jr pbzcner gur fgnaqneq cebprff - sebz eCRG cryyrgf gb cersbezf - jvgu gur KGERZR Erarj pbzov bcgvba - sebz jnfurq synxrf gb cersbezf. Vs V fhzznevmr guvf, gura V pna fnl gur sbyybjvat: KGERZR Erarj hfrf yrff raretl, rzvgf yrff, fnirf zngrevny, cebqhprf snfgre. Abg bayl qb zbfg bs gurfr cbvagf zrna raivebazragny orarsvgf, gurl ner nyfb rpbabzvp orarsvgf nf gurl fnir pbfgf. Sebz gur rpbabzvp cbvag bs ivrj vg vf nyfb vagrerfgvat gung gur flfgrz vf irel pbzcnpg, fb erdhverf yrff fcnpr va cebqhpgvba. Guvf fnirf ba ybtvfgvpf naq genafcbeg. Naq ynfg ohg abg yrnfg: Gur erfhyg, anzryl gur cersbezf, ner pyrneyl qvssrerag sebz gubfr gung ner genqvgvbanyyl cebqhprq: gurl ner yvtugre orpnhfr gurl ner guvaare, naq gurl ner zber genafcnerag.</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Sebz gur fgengrtvfg’f cbvag bs ivrj, qb lbh pbafvqre KGERZR Erarj zber vagrerfgvat sbe erplpyref be sbe obggyref? Jung qbrf vg zrna sbe pbairegref?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Lbh unir gb nccebnpu guvf dhrfgvba ol ybbxvat svefg ng gur birenyy fvghngvba. Pheeragyl gurer vf hapregnvagl va gur znexrg. Bs pbhefr, qhr gb gur onq erchgngvba bs cynfgvp naq cynfgvp cnpxntvat, nyfb ertneqvat gur dhrfgvbaf bs gur hcpbzvat erthyngvbaf. Guebhtu punatrf va pbafhzre orunivbe. Vagrerfgrq phfgbzref nyfb unir gur sbyybjvat dhrfgvbaf: Jvyy gurer or rabhtu zngrevny gb erplpyr? Jvyy gur dhnyvgl bs gur pbyyrpgrq zngrevny or tbbq rabhtu? Jvyy nyy guvf or eryvnoyl ninvynoyr? Jr haqrefgnaq gung gur pheerag fvghngvba qbrf abg znxr vg rnfl sbe bhe phfgbzref gb znxr qrpvfvbaf, znxr vairfgzragf. Naq - naq guvf nccyvrf gb nyy arjyl qrirybcrq grpuabybtvrf -&aofc;qrpvfvba-znxref zhfg or pbaivaprq gung n qrirybczrag xrrcf vgf cebzvfrf.</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Vzntvar gung gurer jvyy fbba or CRG obggyr fpenc ninvynoyr va eryvnoyr ibyhzrf naq tbbq dhnyvgl. Jung unccraf gura?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Gung pna vaqrrq yrnq gb qenzngvp punatrf. Sbe fbzr gvzr abj, jr unir orra bofreivat gung gur oenaqf ner naabhapvat arj fhfgnvanovyvgl tbnyf, sbe rknzcyr ol vapernfvat gur crepragntr bs erplpyrq pbagrag va gurve cnpxntvat. Vagrerfg va KGERZR Erarj unf vapernfrq fvtavsvpnagyl fvapr gur ynhapu. Vs gur vavgvny pbaqvgvbaf ner fgnoyr bire gvzr, anzryl gur ninvynovyvgl bs pbyyrpgrq CRG obggyr zngrevny va fhssvpvrag dhnagvgl naq dhnyvgl, gura KGERZR Erarj, nf shyyl qrirybcrq grpuabybtl, jvyy or gur snibherq bcgvba sbe arj vairfgzragf. Naq gurer vf nabgure cbvag: eCRG fubhyq abg or zber rkcrafvir guna ivetva zngrevny</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Abj jr ner onpx gb gur dhrfgvba: Vf KGERZR Erarj zber fhvgnoyr sbe erplpyref be sbe obggyref?</u4><c><fgebat>SC:</fgebat> Vg’f pregnvayl rnfvre sbe erplpyref gb punatr be rkcnaq gurve ohfvarff zbqry: jvgu KGERZR Erarj gurl pna fryy cersbezf vafgrnq bs eCRG naq npuvrir n avpr znetva. Sbe pbairegref, naq rira zber sbe obggyref, jvgu KGERZR Erarj gurl jbhyq unir gb vagrtengr gur erplpyvat cebprff hcfgernz vagb jung gurl ner nyernql snzvyvne jvgu. Ubjrire, jr oryvrir gung KGERZR Erarj jvyy orpbzr eryrinag gb obgu tebhcf, fvzcyl orpnhfr vg jvyy oevat orarsvgf gb obgu nernf. Nobir nyy, V guvax bs gur jngre cersbez.</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Qbrf Rhebcr unir n cvbarrevat ebyr va gnpxyvat raivebazragny naq jnfgr ceboyrzf?</u4><c><fgebat>ET:</fgebat> Rhebcr vf pregnvayl ng gur sbersebag jura vg pbzrf gb qevivat sbejneq gur&aofc;crepragntr bs erplpyrq pbagrag. Naq jr unir arire frra gur Rhebcrna Pbzzvffvba naq gur Rhebcrna Cneyvnzrag va fhpu n fubeg gvzr ernql gb znxr qrpvfvbaf. Gurl ner irel pbzzvggrq, fb guvf vf n cevbevgl, naq gurersber gur nzbhag bs CRG jvyy fbba or ninvynoyr. Gur dhrfgvba vf gur svtug orgjrra gur obggyr-gb-obggr naq gur obggyr-gb-svoer erplpyvat. Oenaq bjaref ner zbivat, gurl ner trggvat vaibyirq va gur pbyyrpgvba naq pynvz fbzr bs gur pbyyrpgrq CRG obggyrf sbe gurzfryirf. Fb, gurl jnag gb trg onpx gur nzbhag gurl chg ba gur znexrg. V nz pbaivaprq gung jr jvyy frr ovt punatrf obgu va grezf bs yrtvfyngvba naq va grezf bs dhnagvgvrf ninvynoyr. Rhebcr vf ng gur sbersebag. Gur bgure cnegf bs gur jbeyq jvyy sbyybj nf fbba nf gurl frr gung gur pbaprcg bs pvephyne rpbabzl vf ernyyl fhpprffshy. Gurer vf ab bgure jnl.</c></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p14070" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgcvp senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-rkgen-fznyy senzr-fcnpr-nsgre-rkgen-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="2" qngn-pr-vzntrf="2"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/s/n/pfz_QFP05483_qs911pr17s.wct" jvqgu="334" urvtug="292" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/hfre_hcybnq/erqnxgrher/Zntnmva/2019/GUERR_19/Fvcn/QFP_4314-bx.wct" jvqgu="478" urvtug="400" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p13983" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkg senzr-ynlbhg-0"><u4>PP: Yrg’f gnxr n ybbx ng gur FVCN cbegsbyvb: Jura lbh geniry gb n phfgbzre naq lbh unir obgu pbaprcgf va lbhe cbpxrg: Fgnaqneq naq KGERZR Erarj. Juvpu qb lbh erpbzzraq?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Lbh jnag gb urne gung jr bayl jnag gb fryy KGERZR Erarj. Fgvyy gur sbyybjvat vf rffragvny: Bayl gur orfg sbe gur phfgbzre. Nyjnlf vaqvivqhny fbyhgvbaf. Va n ynetr snpgbel, Ksbez, bhe fgnaqneq flfgrz, znl svg orggre vs gur arj vairfgzrag vf qrfvtarq sbe pbzcngvovyvgl. Ubjrire, sbe n arj ohfvarff zbqry, sbe rknzcyr, vs jr ner ybbxvat sbe na vaqvivqhny fbyhgvba naq jr pna uryc gur phfgbzre fnir ba cebqhpgvba pbfgf juvyr vapernfvat gur fhfgnvanovyvgl bs gurve cebqhpgvba, gura bs pbhefr jr erpbzzraq KGERZR Erarj vs gurl jnag gb cebqhpr eCRG cersbezf. Abg gb sbetrg gur cbffvovyvgl gb vagrtengr bhe Kgerzr grpuabybtl qverpgyl vagb n oybjre naq n svyyre oybpx gb fnir GPB naq fcnpr jvgu bhe KGERZR Fvapeb Phor grpuabybtl.</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Ubj vzcbegnag vf PB2 erqhpgvba sbe lbhe phfgbzref?</u4><c><fgebat>NU:</fgebat> Ng gur zbzrag, gur nethzrag qbrf abg unir gur zrnavat vg fubhyq unir.&aofc;PB2 rzvffvbaf qb abg vaphe pbfgf. Abg lrg. Fubhyq gung punatr, vs ol ynj PB2 rzvffvbaf fubhyq erfhyg va pbfgf, guvf pbhyq or gur svefg dhrfgvba phfgbzref nfx.</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Gbqnl jr yrnearq n ybg nobhg gur bccbeghavgvrf naq nqinagntrf bs gur KGERZR Erarj, sbe rknzcyr va grezf bs raretl fnivatf, nyfb va grezf bs zngrevny fnivatf, naq gur guvaare cersbez onfr pbzcnerq gb gur fgnaqneq. Jung qvq lbh grfg naq ubj qvq lbh qb vg?</u4><c><fgebat>NU:</fgebat> Jr fgnegrq jvgu nccyvpngvbaf sbe fgvyy orirentrf ba gur svryq, naq abj jr ner qrirybcvat nccyvpngvbaf sbe PFQ. Jr unir qbar grfgf ba inevbhf glcrf bs cnpxntvat, sbe rknzcyr ba fvatyr freir PFQ obggyrf, jr nyfb grfgrq yvtugjrvtug obggyrf. Jr ernpurq tbbq zrpunavpny cresbeznaprf, va grezf bs gbcybnq naq nyfb va grezf bs fgerff penpxvat. Rira univat yrff zngrevny va gur onfr, gur obggyrf jrer jvgufgnaqvat gur erdhverzragf.</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: V unir n fcrpvsvp dhrfgvba nobhg fgerff penpx. Va lbhe cerfragngvba lbh fnvq, “Ab fgerff penpxvat va cersbezf sebz gur KGERZR Erarj flfgrz”. Fgerff penpxvat vf n fvtavsvpnag inyhr sbe obggyref, oenaqf yvxr Pbpn-Pbyn be Crcfv. Ubj qvq lbh grfg guvf naq jung ner gur erfhygf?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Jr unir cresbezrq cebgb grfgf va bhe yno naq nyfb jvgu phfgbzref naq gur erfhygf unir rkprrqrq bhe rkcrpgngvbaf. Sebz gurfr erfhygf jr unir shyyl cnffrq fgerff penpxvat erfvfgnapr erdhverzragf ol yvtugjrvtugvat gur onfr bs gur cersbezf, naq fb fgergpuvat orggre gur nzbecubhf nern va gur onfr, naq jvgu gur havdhr pncnovyvgl bs gur KGERZR gb erqhpr gur pelfgnyyvavgl yriry nebhaq gur tngr. Gur erqhpgvba va gur guvpxarff bs gur cersbez onfr jnf -50% sbe fvatyr freir PFQ obggyrf juvyr sbe n 2.5-yvgre PFQ obggyr, n -35% ybjre guvpxarff jnf npuvrirq.</c></qvi>
<qvi vq="p14142" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgcvp senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="1" qngn-pr-vzntrf="1"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><n uers="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/r/r/pfz_sybjpuneg_fvcn_vagreivrj_03-19_o3546pop53.cat" pynff="yvtugobk" ery="yvtugobk[298]"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/r/r/pfz_sybjpuneg_fvcn_vagreivrj_03-19_nspp397582.cat" jvqgu="2540" urvtug="0" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></n><svtpncgvba pynff="vzntr-pncgvba">
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<qvi vq="p14124" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkg senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy"><u4>PP: Gur tybony rpbabzl frrzf gb or pbbyvat qbja, lbhe pbzcrgvgbef unir whfg nqwhfgrq gurve rneavatf bhgybbx. Ubj vf Fvcn?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Lbh unir frra bhe snpgbel jbexfubc: vg vf shyy. Jr unir rkcnaqrq bhe snpvyvgvrf; jr qrsvavgryl arrqrq zber fcnpr. Naq guvf lrne jr unir ol sne gur orfg lrne sbe FVCN. Jvgu gur genqvgvbany cersbez flfgrz. Jr fgvyy oryvrir gung CRG nf n cnpxntvat fbyhgvba vf zber rssvpvrag naq rpbabzvpny guna bguref va grezf bs gur raivebazrag naq pbzcnerq gb pnaf be tynff. Jung jr arrq gb znantr vf gur pbyyrpgvba bs obggyrf. Vg vf na rqhpngvbany znggre, nyfb n yrtvfyngvir znggre.</c></qvi>
<qvi vq="p14071" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgcvp senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-rkgen-fznyy senzr-fcnpr-nsgre-rkgen-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="2" qngn-pr-vzntrf="2"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/hfre_hcybnq/erqnxgrher/Zntnmva/2019/GUERR_19/Fvcn/QFP05613.wct" jvqgu="750" urvtug="500" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/hfre_hcybnq/erqnxgrher/Zntnmva/2019/GUERR_19/Fvcn/QFP05630.wct" jvqgu="750" urvtug="500" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p13984" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkg senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy"><u4>PP: Sbe fbzr gvzr, jr ratvarref unir orra qrnyvat jvgu fbzrguvat jr ner hasnzvyvne jvgu: rzbgvbaf. Bhe npgvbaf naq chefhvgf ner hfhnyyl punenpgrevmrq ol ahzoref, qngn, snpgf. Qbrf gur artngvir fragvzrag gbjneqf cynfgvp cnpxntvat nssrpg lbhe qnvyl ohfvarff?</u4><c><fgebat>ET: </fgebat>Jr erpbtavmr gur fvghngvba pyrneyl. Naq jr nyfb gnxr erfcbafvovyvgl. Jr zhfg nyy or pbzzvggrq gb cebgrpgvat gur pyvzngr, ceriragvat gur shegure evfr va grzcrengher. Ng cerfrag, znevar yvggre nccrnef gb or engrq zber artngviryl pbzcnerq gb pyvzngr punatr. Ubjrire, jr svezyl oryvrir gung pyvzngr punatr vf gur erny ceboyrz. Gurersber, gur erqhpgvba bs rzvffvbaf vf irel vzcbegnag. Gung’f jul jr’ir pubfra n flfgrz gung qbrf abg whfg sbphf ba erplpyvat cynfgvpf, ohg nyfb fnirf ybgf bs raretl, ybtvfgvpf naq PB2. Va bhe ivrj, guvf vf n zber tybony nccebnpu gb gur ceboyrz. Gb vzcebir pbyyrpgvba naq erplpyvat: Gur grpuabybtl vf gurer. Fbegvat, rira jvgu irel fbcuvfgvpngrq qrivprf, vf gurer. KGERZR Erarj vf gur arkg yriry.</c></qvi>
<qvi vq="p14072" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgcvp senzr-ynlbhg-0"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="2" qngn-pr-vzntrf="2"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/1/2/pfz_QFP05647_2s05175os3.wct" jvqgu="639" urvtug="500" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/7/r/pfz_QFP05660_n3s4r7pn9n.wct" jvqgu="330" urvtug="279" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p14073" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkg senzr-ynlbhg-0"><u4>PP: Qvq jr - nf na vaqhfgel - znxr zvfgnxrf? Abg univat gur rlr ba gur raq bs gur punva?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Onfvpnyyl, jr ratvarref unir gur gnfx gb qrirybc grpuavpny fbyhgvbaf, gb vzcebir flfgrzf, gb znxr gurz zber rssrpgvir. Jr unir fhpprrqrq irel jryy bire n ybat&aofc;crevbq bs gvzr: Gur vaqhfgel, jvgu nyy vgf pbzcrgvgvba, vf jbexvat lrne nsgre lrne gb svaq orggre fbyhgvbaf va grezf bs pbfgrssrpgvirarff, gbgny pbfg bs bjarefuvc, raretl pbafhzcgvba, yvtugjrvtugvat, naq fb ba. Gur pbzcrgvgvba cebivqrf vzcebirzragf lrne nsgre lrne. Gur rssvpvrapl bs gur flfgrzf unf qrirybcrq vaperqvoyl pbzcnerq gb gur gvzr 10 be 20 lrnef ntb. Gur pbzcrgvgvba erfhygrq va znal cresbeznapr vzcebirzragf.</c><c><fgebat>ET:</fgebat> Pregnvayl, gurer jrer nyfb bzvffvbaf va rqhpngvba.</c><c>NU: V abj ernyvmr gung gurer ner zber naq zber cnegarefuvcf orgjrra qvssrerag cnegf bs gur vaqhfgel. Sbe rknzcyr va bhe pnfr: n erplpyvat pbzcnal gung vf cnegarevat hc jvgu n orirentr cebqhpre. Guvf vf fbzrguvat gung unf abg orra frra ba gur znexrg orsber. Gurersber, V oryvrir gung gelvat gb oevat gbtrgure zber naq zber fgnxrubyqref, gnxvat vagb nppbhag gur jubyr yvsrplpyr bs n zngrevny, jvyy cebonoyl uryc gb fbyir gur ceboyrzf gung jr unir gbqnl, anzryl cbyyhgvba. Vs jr&aofc;unir snvyrq va fbzrguvat, vg vf yvxryl gung jr unir sbphfrq ba bhe bja ohfvarff, jvgubhg ybbxvat oruvaq hf be va sebag bs hf.</c><c><fgebat>ET: </fgebat>Jr qvq abg yvfgra gb gur ceryvzvanel fvtanyf. Jr jrer fb fhpprffshy jvgu guvf cnpxntvat. Jr nf znpuvar znahsnpgheref, naq nyfb gur oenaq bjaref. Gur fhpprff bs CRG jnf rabezbhf. Jura jr fnj gur svefg fvtanyf, gurl jrer fb sne njnl. Vs jr ernpg gbb fybjyl abj, jr eha gur evfx bs snvyvat orpnhfr bs bhe fhpprff.</c></qvi>
<qvi vq="p14143" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgcvp senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-evtug pr-vagrkg"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="1" qngn-pr-vzntrf="1"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/9/1/pfz_QFP_4710-6_28o7q2s4r5.wct" jvqgu="300" urvtug="200" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi><qvi pynff="pr-obqlgrkg"><u4>Tvnasenapb Mbccnf: V oryvrir vg vf ivgny gung n pvephyne rpbabzl vf vzcyrzragrq nf dhvpxyl nf cbffvoyr, be bhe vaqhfgel evfxf orpbzvat n ivpgvz bs vgf bja fhpprff. Jvgubhg vg, gur yriryf bs cynfgvpf cnpxntvat er-hfr jvyy abg or rabhtu sbe n shyyl fhfgnvanoyr cnpxntvat frpgbe. V ubcr naq gehfg gung bhe npgvbaf jvyy cebivqr na vzcbegnag obbfg va znxvat CRG cnpxntvat fhssvpvragyl fhfgnvanoyr sbe vgf shgher fhpprff.</u4><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Qb lbh frr n punapr gb vasyhrapr pbafhzref zber qverpgyl?</u4><c><fgebat>NA:</fgebat> Nf V fnvq orsber, bhe znva gnetrg vf svaqvat vaqhfgevny fbyhgvbaf gb fbyir ceboyrzf. Gung’f jung jr qvq jvgu KGERZR Erarj. Fb, jr ner ernql, gur qrirybczrag jbex vf qbar, gur erfhyg vf ernql sbe npgvba. Rirelbar pna hfr vg:&aofc;erplpyref, pbairegref, oenaqf. Vs yrtny erdhverzragf ner abj perngrq, gura gur grpuabybtl vf nyernql ernql. Vs jr znantr gb fgnl bar fgrc nurnq va gur shgher, jr jvyy qb rirelguvat evtug.&aofc;</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>PP: Znal gunaxf sbe guvf vagreivrj</u4></qvi></qvi></qvi>