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<qvi vq="p3358" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-obqlgrkg"><u4>Ubj jnf 2015?&aofc;</u4><c>Jr erpragyl choyvfurq bhe svanapvny erfhygf sbe 2015 naq pna fnl vg jnf tbbq nyy-va-nyy. Ohg jr xabj gung bhe phfgbzref’ rkcrpgngvbaf xrrc tebjvat naq, fb, jr pbagvahnyyl nfx bhefryirf gurfr guvatf: Ubj pna jr orfg zrrg bhe phfgbzref’ jnagf naq arrqf? Ubj pna jr shegure bcgvzvmr bhe pybfrarff gb phfgbzref naq phfgbzre fngvfsnpgvba? Ubj pna jr qryvire rira orggre freivpr? Gurer’f nyjnlf fbzrguvat jr pna qb orggre.
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Naq ubj jnf 2015 sbe lbh crefbanyyl?</u4><c>N “abezny” lrne, ernyyl. N tbbq lrne. Ohg vg jbhyq or cerfhzcghbhf bs zr gb fnl vg vf “ab ovt qrny” gb or gur svefg crefba sebz bhgfvqr gur Xebafrqre snzvyl gb unir gur ubabe bs yrnqvat guvf uvtuyl fhpprffshy pbzcnal. V jbexrq va fnyrf sbe fvk lrnef, fcrag gra lrnef nf gur Rkrphgvir Obneq’f Puvrs Grpuabybtl Bssvpre, gura sbhe lrnef nf Puvrs Svanapvny Bssvpre, naq nz abj PRB. Gung’f dhvgr n punatr va crefcrpgvir. Vg’f nyfb vagrerfgvat ubj lbh ner creprvirq qvssreragyl. Lbh zvtug guvax tbvat sebz PSB gb PRB vf whfg n znggre bs fjvgpuvat bhg n yrggre. Ohg vg’f ernyyl dhvgr fbzrguvat gb npghnyyl qb vg! Fb, 2015 jnf n lrne bs ovt punatrf sbe zr.&aofc;
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Ubj jnf lbhe svefg qnl nf PRB?</u4><c>Tbbq dhrfgvba. Ubarfgyl, V pna’g ernyyl erzrzore zl svefg qnl nf PRB irel pyrneyl nalzber. Vs lbh xabj Xebarf jryy, lbh xabj gung jr qvfphff rirelguvat gung eryngrf gb gur pbzcnal nf n grnz. Fb, vg jnfa’g nf vs V jnf fhqqrayl znqr cevil gb n terng frperg. Gurer jrer ab fgengrtl vffhrf V jnfa’g nyernql snzvyvne jvgu. Naq, bs pbhefr, Ze. Xebafrqre naq V unq nyernql qvfphffrq gur genafvgvba dhvgr n ybg, bsgra gbtrgure jvgu bhe Fhcreivfbel Obneq Punvezna, Ze. Onhznaa. Va gur raq, vg jnf glcvpny Xebarf – irel erynkrq.&aofc;
</c><c>Yrg’f gnyx nobhg lbhe fgnss. Gur cnegvphyne jnl lbhe Trezna rzcyblrrf unir bs fnlvat gurl jbex sbe Xebarf fbhaqf yvxr gurl ner crefbavslvat gur pbzcnal, yvxr vg’f snzvyl. Jung’f vg yvxr gura, jura gur “urnq bs gur snzvyl” punatrf?
</c><c>V’ir tbggra gb xabj gur pbzcnal sebz znal qvssrerag crefcrpgvirf – fnyrf, grpuabybtl, naq svanapr. Fb, V jnf noyr gb or snveyl erynkrq nobhg gur punatr naq gevrq gb funer zl frafr bs pnyz jvgu bhe jbexsbepr guebhtu zl pbzzhavpngvba jvgu gurz. V’ir pneevrq ba Ze. Xebafrqre’f genqvgvba bs jnyxvat gur cynag sybbef, znlor rira rkgraqvat gubfr jnyxf n ovg. Bhe rzcyblrrf unir abgvprq gung gurl pna gnyx gb zr yvxr gurl gnyxrq jvgu Ze. Xebafrqre – gung abguvat unf punatrq ba gung fpber.</c></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3359" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy senzr-fcnpr-nsgre-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="3" qngn-pr-vzntrf="3"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/q/r/pfz_x_ZT_9158_s845r48q79.wct" jvqgu="240" urvtug="360" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/o/6/pfz_x_ZT_9159_o50onoqo0r.wct" jvqgu="240" urvtug="360" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/2/n/pfz_x_ZT_9161_69sr4orp2q.wct" jvqgu="240" urvtug="360" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3360" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-obqlgrkg"><u4>Yrg’f gnxr n ybbx onpx. Jvgubhg ersreevat gb svanapvny qngn, ubj unf Xebarf punatrq?</u4><c>Ernyyl, vg unfa’g punatrq nyy gung zhpu. Grnz fcvevg vf bhe yvsroybbq naq jr pbagvahr gb jbex rirel qnl gb znxr guvatf nf gurl fubhyq or. Bhe wbo abj vf gb xrrc gung fcvevg nyvir naq gb shegure qrirybc gung xabj-ubj naq rkcregvfr gung unf tebja bire qrpnqrf naq vf ersyrpgrq va Xebarf’ pbzcerurafvir enatr bs cebqhpgf. Ba gur bgure unaq, jr unir gb znantr gur pbzcnal. Jr abj unir bire 13,000 crbcyr nebhaq gur tybor jubz jr unir gb yrnq va nppbeqnapr jvgu gur fnzr zvffvba fgngrzrag naq gur fnzr inyhrf. Gur pbzcnal unf qrirybcrq fgebat naq fgrnqvyl naq jr’er nyy irel cebhq bs gung ng Xebarf.
</c><c>Ng Xebarf, vg’f nyy nobhg grnzjbex
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Ubj unir lbh qrirybcrq be punatrq?</u4><c>(ynhtuf) V qba’g xabj vs gvzr unf punatrq zr. V unir jbea n ybg bs qvssrerag ungf, ybbxrq ng guvatf sebz znal qvssrerag cbvagf bs ivrj. Gur snpg vf, jurgure lbh’er va fnyrf be ratvarrevat, lbh unir gb qvt qrrc naq haqrefgnaq jung bhe phfgbzref inyhr. Nf PSB, lbh unir gb haqrefgnaq ubj gur pbzcnal vf cresbezvat naq bcgvzvmr gung cresbeznapr. Ohg urer, gbb, phfgbzre fngvfsnpgvba erznvaf n xrl nfcrpg. Va rirel cbfvgvba V unir uryq, V unir tnvarq na rkprcgvbany nzbhag bs rkcrevrapr. Ybbxvat onpx, gur zbfg vzcbegnag guvat V unir yrnearq vf gung rirelguvat vf orfg unaqyrq nf n grnz. Bs pbhefr, gung nyfb zrnaf orvat noyr gb fgrc onpx naq ernyyl pbbcrengr gb nppbzcyvfu erfhygf.
</c><c>Jung pna V gryy lbhat ratvarrevat fghqragf ng gur Havirefvgl bs Nccyvrq Fpvrapr jung gurl arrq gb oevat gb gur pbzcnal va beqre gb znxr n pnerre sbe gurzfryirf ng Xebarf?
</c><c>Gung’f n tbbq dhrfgvba, gb juvpu V unir n fubeg nafjre: Fubj vavgvngvir, guvax ybtvpnyyl, naq hfr lbhe pbzzba frafr. Guvax cebnpgviryl. Va bgure jbeqf, nfx lbhefrys: Jung qbrf zl pbjbexre arrq? Jung qbrf zl grnz arrq? Jung qbrf gur phfgbzre arrq? Naq ubj pna V pbagevohgr? Zl nqivpr jbhyq nyfb or gb chg “Jr” sebag naq pragre. Orpnhfr crbcyr jub guvax va grnz grezf ner bhe yvsroybbq.
</c><c>Abj yrg’f gnyx nobhg Xebarf’ ohfvarff qrirybczrag, juvpu unf orra znexrq ol fgrnql tebjgu. Qbrf guvf tebjgu thnenagrr fgnovyvgl?
</c><c>Vg pregnvayl urycf, nybat jvgu n srj bgure snpgbef. Ohg jr ner nyfb njner gung jr bcrengr va n znexrg gung rkuvovgf fgnoyr tebjgu. Gung unf gb qb jvgu jbeyq cbchyngvba tebjgu, vapernfrq heonavmngvba, naq vapernfvat qvirefvsvpngvba ng gur cbvag bs fnyr.
</c><c>Yrg zr fnl guvf nobhg znexrg fgnovyvgl: Juvyr vg vf gehr gung jr ner frrvat 4.5% tebjgu va orirentrf naq cnpxntrq pbagnvaref, jr xabj gung jr pna ab ybatre ercyvpngr guvf yriry bs tebjgu rdhnyyl npebff bhe ragver znpuvarel cbegsbyvb. N znpuvar gung bapr ena 600 obggyrf cre zvahgr vf abj ehaavat 800 be 900 obggyrf cre zvahgr. Ohg gur cevpr bs gubfr znpuvarf unfa’g vapernfrq ol gur fnzr crepragntr. Vg’f vzcbegnag gb xrrc va zvaq gung znexrg tebjgu qbrfa’g genafyngr bar-gb-bar vagb znpuvarel erirahr. Ohg nyy va nyy, tebjgu qbrf tvir hf n terng qrny bs fgnovyvgl.</c></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3361" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy senzr-fcnpr-nsgre-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="1" qngn-pr-vzntrf="1"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/3/1/pfz_x_ZT_9301_0q9osr3317.wct" jvqgu="2540" urvtug="1693" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3362" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-obqlgrkg"><u4>Xebarf’ tebjgu fgengrtl vapyhqrf znpuvarel vaabingvbaf. Jvyy vg or rabhtu, va gur shgher, gb sbphf ba zrpunavpny ratvarrevat? Be jvyy lbh arrq gb fuber hc lbhe tebjgu fgengrtl jvgu bgure pbaprcgf naq freivprf?&aofc;</u4><c>Svefg, V’q yvxr gb cbvag bhg gung Xebarf bssref freivprf nybatfvqr bhe znpuvarel, ohaqyrq va bhe Yvsrplpyr Freivprf (YPF) bcrengvbaf. Vg’f nyzbfg vzcbffvoyr gb vzntvar gur bar jvgubhg gur bgure nalzber. V’z fher gur fnzr vf gehr bs bhe pbzcrgvgbef. &aofc;
</c><c>Sbe hf nf n pbzcnal, cynag cynaavat naq pbzcyrgr fbyhgvbaf unir nyjnlf orra vzcbegnag, jurgure jr jrer gnyxvat nobhg oerjrevrf be gheaxrl cynagf sbe gur orirentr vaqhfgel. Obgu jrer nyernql rffragvny ybat orsber qvtvgnyvmngvba orpnhfr vg’f gurer gung jr pna ernyyl gnxr n tbbq ybbx ng gur ragver cebprff naq bcgvzvmr gur gbgny pbfg bs bjarefuvc bs n orirentr cynag va n irel qvssrerag jnl guna jr pna ol ybbxvat bayl ng vaqvivqhny pbzcbaragf va gur cynaavat fgntr be va bcrengvba. Gb rafher gung phfgbzref pna znantr gurve pbfg fgehpgherf naq ninvynovyvgl jryy, jr unir gb haqrefgnaq gurve ohfvarff zbqryf naq ubj rirelguvat svgf gbtrgure, sebz gur pbzcyrgr snpgbel qbja gb gur vaqvivqhny znpuvar pbzcbaragf – naq gura jr unir gb bssre fbyhgvbaf gung zngpu gung.
</c><u3>&aofc;</u3><u3>Qvtvgnyvmngvba – xrl snpgbe sbe&aofc;gur shgher</u3><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Jung qbrf Xebarf unir va gur cvcryvar gb fhccbeg phfgbzref rira orggre va gur shgher, gb rafher gung gurl npuvrir gurve gnetrgf?</u4><c>Jura V ybbx gb gur shgher, V qrsvavgryl frr n gvtugre vagrtengvba bs cebprff grpuabybtl naq genqvgvbany svyyvat grpuabybtl, qevira ol pbfg naq rssvpvrapl pbafvqrengvbaf. Gur cnpxntvat cneg bs gur yvar naq gur “raq bs yvar” nern, gung vf, vagenybtvfgvpf, ner nyfb orpbzvat vapernfvatyl vzcbegnag orpnhfr phfgbzref jnag gb bcgvzvmr gurfr cebprffrf. Svanyyl, jr frr qvtvgnyvmngvba nf n xrl snpgbe sbe gur shgher.
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Qvqa’g Xebarf fgneg nqqerffvat gur jubyr abgvba bs qvtvgnyvmngvba jvgu Flfxeba orsber gur grez “qvtvgnyvmngvba” jnf rira pbvarq?&aofc;</u4><c>Gung’f evtug. Jvgu Flfxeba, jr fgnegrq jbexvat ba vagenybtvfgvpf cerggl rneyl. Gurer jrer cnhfrf va ohfvarff abj naq gura, ohg gur oenaq anzr jnf fgvyy tbbq naq inyvq ba gur znexrg. Va 2014, jr ernpgvingrq Flfxeba naq nqqrq gb vg ol npdhvevat n fznyy pbzcnal gung fcrpvnyvmrf va FNC pbafhygvat. Jr pna abj bssre bhe phfgbzref pbfg-rssrpgvir fbyhgvbaf sbe gurve ybtvfgvpf naq zngrevny sybj arrqf, va FNC nf jryy nf jungrire vaqvivqhny flfgrzf gurl eha, naq pbaarpg gurz jvgu bhe svyyvat, cnpxntvat, naq cebprff grpuabybtl flfgrzf. V guvax lbh pna pnyy gung qvtvgnyvmngvba.
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Vaabingvir cebqhpgvba grpuabybtvrf: Ubj qb lbh frr gur Vagrearg bs Guvatf naq vgf vzcyvpngvbaf sbe Xebarf nf n znpuvarel znahsnpghere?</u4><c>Va znahsnpghevat naq cebqhpgvba jr’ir nyjnlf qbar n tbbq wbo bs obgu naq jr jvyy pbagvahr gb qb fb. Jr’ir nyernql tbg n fubjpnfr rknzcyr va bhe cvcr znpuvavat pragre. Vg’f n terng rknzcyr bs pbaarpgvivgl gung vf serdhragyl uvtuyvtugrq ba cynag gbhef. &aofc;
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Bs pbhefr, Vaqhfgel 4.0 qbrfa’g whfg nccyl gb Xebarf nf n fhccyvre. Vg nyfb nssrpgf phfgbzref. Jung yvar vzcebirzragf unf qvtvgnyvmngvba znqr cbffvoyr? Zber fcrpvsvpnyyl, jung pna phfgbzref rkcrpg sebz Xebarf va grezf bs znxvat gurve cebqhpgvba rira zber pbfg-rssrpgvir naq/be zber fhfgnvanoyr?</u4><c>Jr ybbx ng jung vf vzcbegnag gb bhe phfgbzref, ubj jr pna uryc gurz jvguva gurve ohfvarff zbqryf jvgu Vaqhfgel 4.0, VbG, Pbaarpgvivgl. V guvax yvar ninvynovyvgl jvyy vzcebir shegure, sbe rknzcyr, nf znpuvar fgnghf orpbzrf zber cerqvpgnoyr naq nf punatrbiref ner bcgvzvmrq shegure. Gurer vf zber cbgragvny sbe vapernfvat rssvpvrapl urer.</c></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3363" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy senzr-fcnpr-nsgre-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="1" qngn-pr-vzntrf="1"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/1/o/pfz_x_ZT_9226_515r108s80.wct" jvqgu="2540" urvtug="1693" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3364" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-obqlgrkg"><u4>Qvtvgnyvmngvba vfa’g whfg nobhg pbaarpgvat 500 ovyyvba qrivprf. Gurer’f zber gb vg guna gung. Gur punyyratr vf va gur cebprffrf. Pna pbzcnavrf – znpuvarel znahsnpgheref, pbairegref, naq obggyref – rknzvar gurve pheerag cebprffrf va fhpu n jnl gung gurl perngr arj barf? Be jvyy gur arj cebprffrf “vairag” gurzfryirf?</u4><c>Lrf, V nz pregnva gung, sbe vafgnapr, znpuvarel znahsnpgheref jvyy unir gb erserfu gurve bja guvaxvat. Qvtvgnyvmngvba unf gb orpbzr cneg bs gurve QAN. Bgurejvfr, gurl jvyy riraghnyyl snyy oruvaq. Juvyr vg vf gehr gung, nf znpuvarel znahsnpgheref, jr ner abg “VG crbcyr”, jr unir gb nqqerff VG jvguva bhe fgehpgher. Zber naq zber. Jr ner nyernql qbvat gung naq ner jvqravat bhe ivrj, jurgure guebhtu Flfxeba be bgure pbzcnavrf va guvf nern.
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Qbrf gur znpuvarel naq rdhvczrag frpgbe arrq n arj trarengvba bs znantref, n arj xvaq bs znantre jvgu qvtvgnyvmngvba va gurve QAN, nf lbh fnl?&aofc;</u4><c>Jr pna’g jnvg sbe gung. Gur pheerag trarengvba unf gb yvir jvgu gurfr encvq punatrf naq znantr gurz. Jung vf rkgerzryl vzcbegnag naq fubhyq abg or haqrerfgvzngrq vf gur rkcrevrapr onfr bs bhe frnfbarq ratvarref. Abguvat jbexf jvgubhg xabj-ubj. Naq jr unir n infg jrnygu bs rkcrevrapr eryngvat gb grpuavpny qrirybczragf, znahsnpghevat, cebqhpgvba, naq phfgbzre naq znexrg erfcbafvirarff. Nyy gung jvyy pregnvayl tvir hf n yrt hc va bhe qvtvgny ribyhgvba.&aofc;
</c><c>Jung V nyfb svaq rfcrpvnyyl vagrerfgvat vf gung vffhrf eryngvat gb qvtvgnyvmngvba unir n zhpu fgebatre “cebwrpg” srry gb gurz gung cbfrf punyyratrf va grezf bs ubj gb vagrtengr gurz vagb n uvrenepuvpny, fgehpgherq pbzcnal. &aofc;
</c><c>Treznal vf na nggenpgvir cynpr <oe /> sbe qbvat ohfvarff jbeyqjvqr
</c><c>&aofc;</c><u4>Va guvf erfcrpg, ubj vzcbegnag ner qrcgu bs cebqhpgvba<oe /> naq Treznal nf n ohfvarff ybpngvba sbe Xebarf?</u4><c>Jura jr ybbx ng gur ovt cvpgher, Treznal vf na rkgerzryl nggenpgvir ybpngvba sbe znpuvarel znahsnpgheref, va grezf bs obgu pbfg naq xabjyrqtr onfr. Va n fvatyr lrne, jr’yy qryvire gb zber guna 150 pbhagevrf. Jurer ryfr pna lbh svaq pbzcnenoyr pbaqvgvbaf sbe npprffvat naq freivat nyy gubfr pbhagevrf? Fher, jr ner nyjnlf jbexvat gb vzcebir bhe flfgrzf’ cebqhpgvivgl naq jr unir erqhprq gur qrcgu bs cebqhpgvba va pregnva nernf. Bs pbhefr, jr hfr n fhccyl punva bhgfvqr Xebarf gung xrrcf cnpr jvgu vagreangvbany fgnaqneqf. Unq jr qbar bgurejvfr, jr znl abg unir orra noyr gb npuvrir gur fnzr yriry bs tebjgu va erprag lrnef. Ohg sbphfvat ba pber rkcregvfr naq syrkvovyvgl gb xrrc gheanebhaq gvzrf fubeg – gung vf xrl.
</c><c>Yrg’f gnyx nobhg svanapvnyf ng Xebarf. Gurer ner gjb jnlf gb vzcebir znetvaf naq cebsvgnovyvgl – sebz gur vapbzr fvqr naq sebz gur rkcrafr fvqr. Ba gur vapbzr fvqr, V guvax bs vaabingvbaf naq npdhvfvgvbaf.
</c><c>Jr unir znqr n srj fznyyre npdhvfvgvbaf va gur ynfg guerr lrnef. Vs vg svgf vagb bhe fgengrtl naq bhe birenyy pbaprcg, jr vagraq gb chefhr zber rkgreany tebjgu. Vs vg pbzcyrzragf bhe cbegsbyvb bs cebqhpgf naq grpuabybtl.
</c><c>Ba gur rkcrafr fvqr, yrnq gvzrf, ubj ybat bhe nffrzoyl nernf ner bpphcvrq, naq ninvynovyvgl nyy cynl n pehpvny ebyr. Urer, jr hfr nyy bs gur bcgvbaf – naq vaabingvbaf – ninvynoyr gb hf gb fubegra yrnq gvzrf.&aofc;
</c><c>&aofc;</c><u4>Ba gur gbcvp bs grpuabybtl naq CRG, fgergpu-oybj zbyqvat grpuabybtl vf jryy rfgnoyvfurq naq Xebarf naq CRG erplpyvat ner n snzvyvne pbaprcg. Jung’f unccravat jvgu “oneevre CRG”?</u4><c>Jr unir znqr gjb ovt nggrzcgf fb sne. Fb, jr unir gur rkcregvfr urer jvguva gur pbzcnal naq unir orra jbexvat gb ribyir gur grpuabybtl. Ohg zl crefbany bcvavba vf gung bognvavat tnf oneevref vf ernyyl tbvat gb erdhver na nqqvgvbany znpuvar va gur yvar. Rira vs vg zrnaf cbgragvnyyl erqhpvat gur rssvpvrapl bs gur ragver yvar. Naq gur znpuvar vf rkcrafvir. Gung’f gur bar fvqr bs vg. Gur bgure fvqr vf gung guvf grpuabybtl pbhyq uryc hf gnc arj znexrgf jvgu CRG. &aofc;
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Jung’f arj va erplpyvat ng Xebarf?</u4><c>Gra bs bhe CRG erplpyvat flfgrzf ner nyernql va bcrengvba. Gur yngrfg vf whfg trggvat hc naq ehaavat va Fbhgu Nsevpn – jvgu PP nccebiny. Gurer vf ab qrnegu bs vairfgzrag unccravat va guvf nern. Gur ovttrfg vffhr vf cebphevat naq frphevat zngrevny fgernzf.</c></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3365" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy senzr-fcnpr-nsgre-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="1" qngn-pr-vzntrf="1"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/3/n/pfz_x_ZT_9280_s65r64qq18.wct" jvqgu="2540" urvtug="1693" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3366" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-obqlgrkg"><u3>Fhfgnvanovyvgl naq raivebazragny fgrjneqfuvc nf qevivat sbepr &aofc;</u3><c><oe /></c><u4>Jvgu fb zhpu sbphf ba erqhpvat pbfgf, qbrfa’g CRG grpuabybtl vgfrys trg fubeg fuevsg? Unir jr nyernql rkunhfgrq CRG’f grpuabybtvpny cbgragvny? Vf pbfg gur “bayl” guvat CRG obggyrf unir tbvat sbe gurz?</u4><c>Grpuabybtl naq zrpunavpny ratvarrevat ner qrsvavgryl fgvyy va gur tnzr jura vg pbzrf gb CRG. Ybbx ng gur vapernfrf va znpuvar cresbeznapr va gur ynfg frireny lrnef. Ubj znal gvzrf unir jr oebxra guebhtu jung jnf fhccbfrq gb or na vafhezbhagnoyr oneevre? Be ybbx ng ubj zhpu yvtugre obggyrf naq pncf unir orpbzr. Vg’f nyzbfg vapbaprvinoyr, ubj zhpu unf unccrarq va gur ynfg frireny lrnef. Naq jura V frr jung bhe phfgbzref fgvyy unir va zvaq gb qb, V xabj guvf vfa’g gur raq bs gur ebnq. Yvtugjrvtugvat unf gjb pbzcbaragf: Ba gur bar unaq, vg’f nobhg erqhpvat pbfgf. Ohg ba gur bgure, vg’f nobhg fhfgnvanovyvgl. Va lbhe ynfg vffhr bs pbzCRGrapr, lbh nfxrq, “Ner jr terra rabhtu?” V qba’g guvax nal vaqhfgel vf rira pybfr gb “terra rabhtu”. Rfcrpvnyyl jura vg pbzrf gb erfbhepr pbafreingvba. Naq vg’f abg whfg nobhg pbafreivat enj zngrevnyf. Jr nyfb unir gb ybbx ng gur jnfgr jr trarengr naq jung jr qb jvgu vg. Cynfgvp jnfgr vf n znwbe punyyratr. Gung’f bar bs gur ernfbaf jul jr tbg vagb CRG erplpyvat.
</c><c>Jnf nabgure ernfba gur snpg gung ergheanoyr tynff naq CRG obggyrf jrer ba gur qrpyvar? Fheryl, gung unf vzcnpgrq Xebarf’ fnyrf bs obggyr jnfuref.
</c><c>Lrf, gung’f gehr. Ohg gur qrpvfvba jnf abg arprffnevyl n ohfvarff-qevira bar. Gur zbfg vzcbegnag snpgbe jnf naq erznvaf fhfgnvanovyvgl naq bhe qrfver gb cenpgvpr tbbq fgrjneqfuvc sbe shgher trarengvbaf. V zrg jvgu bhe PFE Grnz rneyvre gbqnl. Jr rknzvarq bhe PFE npgvivgvrf nf n jubyr. Arj vffhrf xrrc pebccvat hc jvgu erfcrpg gb CRG naq bgure cynfgvpf. Rira vs pbafhzref – zlfrys vapyhqrq – yvxr CRG, vg vf pnhfvat ceboyrzf va fbzr pbhagevrf. Naq gung oevatf hf onpx gb zngrevny sybjf. Jr unir gb svanyyl yrnea gb unaqyr gurz cebcreyl. Gur erplpyvat grpuabybtl vf gurer.&aofc;
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Vf gur cebzbgvba bs fhfgnvanovyvgl tbbq arjf sbe oybp flfgrzf?</u4><c>Gur orfg rknzcyr vf bhe RetbOybp, juvpu srngherf na vagrtengrq ynoryre. Vg vf hygvzngryl gur ribyhgvba bs oybp flfgrzf gbjneqf fhfgnvanovyvgl. Gur obggyrf ner fb yvtug gung gurl jbhyqa’g jbex jvgu gur pbairlbef ba n genqvgvbany yvar ynlbhg. Jr unir nyfb bcgvzvmrq gur pnc naq cersbez srrqref gb nppbhag sbe guvf.&aofc;
</c><c>Jung’f vagrerfgvat va guvf pbagrkg vf gung gur svefg RetbOybp jnf hairvyrq ng n genqr snve nobhg fvk lrnef ntb ohg vg gbbx gjb gb guerr lrnef naq “ebnq grfgvat” orsber phfgbzref jrer pbaivaprq bs vgf orarsvgf. Gung fubjf ubj ybat gur fgneg-hc cunfr vf orsber arj, fhfgnvanoyr qrirybczragf trg rfgnoyvfurq ba gur znexrg. Gurfr qnlf, jr ner fryyvat 60 gb 70 bs gurfr flfgrzf rnpu lrne.
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Xebarf unf qrzbafgengrq vgf pbzzvgzrag gb fhfgnvanovyvgl jvgu gur raiveb cebtenz. Qb phfgbzref funer gung fnzr njnerarff? Ner gurl jvyyvat gb cnl sbe gur nqqrq inyhr?</u4><c>V nz pbaivaprq gung, ng gur raq bs gur qnl, lbh pna’g nssbeq abg gb nalzber. Raretl njnerarff naq fhfgnvanovyvgl unir gb or ebbgrq va gur znpuvarel frpgbe naq gurl unir gb or genafcnerag sbe phfgbzref va fhpu n jnl gung gurl pna zngpu gurve pbfg fgehpgherf naq npuvrir gurve gnetrgf. Vs jr ybbx ng cersbez naq obggyr fgrevyvmngvba va nfrcgvp svyyvat, jr frr gung GPB pna or punatrq naq yvtugjrvtugvat orpbzrf cbffvoyr. Sbe rknzcyr, jura cersbez fgrevyvmngvba pna unccra ng pbzcyrgryl qvssrerag grzcrengherf sebz obggyr fgrevyvmngvba. Abj, bhe rzcyblrrf nera’g fb zhpu nfxvat ubj zhpu arj qrirybczragf fnir va grezf bs raretl be jngre pbafhzcgvba ohg vafgrnq fvzcyl nfx, “Qbrf vg zrrg raiveb pevgrevn?” Va bgure jbeqf, jr unir perngrq na vagreany ynory gung fnlf vg nyy jura vg pbzrf gb fhfgnvanovyvgl.</c></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3368" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0 senzr-fcnpr-orsber-fznyy senzr-fcnpr-nsgre-fznyy"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-tnyyrel" qngn-pr-pbyhzaf="1" qngn-pr-vzntrf="1"><qvi pynff="pr-bhgre"><qvi pynff="pr-vaare"><qvi pynff="pr-ebj"><qvi pynff="pr-pbyhza"><svther pynff="vzntr"><vzt pynff="vzntr-rzorq-vgrz o-ynml" fep="qngn:vzntr/tvs;onfr64,E0yTBQyuNDNONNNNNPU5ONRXNNRNYNNNNNNONNRNNNVPGNRNBj==" qngn-fep="/svyrnqzva/_cebprffrq_/s/3/pfz_x_ZT_9304_rq73r2oqn8.wct" jvqgu="2540" urvtug="1693" nyg="" gvgyr="" /></svther></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi></qvi>
<qvi vq="p3369" pynff="senzr senzr-qrsnhyg senzr-glcr-grkgzrqvn senzr-ynlbhg-0"><qvi pynff="pr-grkgcvp pr-pragre pr-nobir"><qvi pynff="pr-obqlgrkg"><u3>Grnz fcvevg naq phfgbzre fngvfsnpgvba – unyyznexf bs Xebarf&aofc;</u3><c><oe /></c><u4>Nsgre gubfr grpuavpny qrgnvyf, yrg’f gnxr n oebnqre ivrj. Jung ner lbhe snibevgr gbcvpf ng Xebarf?</u4><c>Bss gur gbc bs zl urnq, Xebarf vf zl snibevgr gbcvp. Vs V unq gb yvfg zl snibevgr gbcvpf ng Xebarf, phfgbzre fngvfsnpgvba jbhyq gnxr gur svefg fcbg. Phfgbzre fngvfsnpgvba vf n xrl cevbevgl sbe n pbzcnal. Fbhaqf fvzcyr. Ohg vg’f npghnyyl pbzcyrk. Bs pbhefr, lbh unir gb nqqerff rpbabzvp znggref, ab dhrfgvba nobhg gung. Gur frpbaq gbcvp ba zl yvfg jbhyq or grnzjbex. Gb perngr n tbbq, pbzcyrgr fbyhgvba gung ernyyl jbexf sbe bhe phfgbzref, bhe rzcyblrrf unir gb ybbx naq guvax orlbaq gurve bja jbexfgngvbaf. V thrff gung gnxrf hf onpx gb grnz fcvevg, gur Xebarf fcvevg gung jr vagraq gb cerfreir.
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Gb or nzbat gur gbc pbzcnavrf va gur vaqhfgel va 2030, lbh unir gb vqragvsl arj geraqf, fghql gurz, naq cercner sbe gurz. Sbe gur orirentr vaqhfgel, jung geraqf qb lbh frr sbe cnpxntvat – tynff, pnegbaf, pnaf, cbhpurf, naq CRG rfcrpvnyyl?</u4><c>V oryvrir gurer ner guvatf jr znl abg frr lrg ohg gung gurer ner vaqvpngbef jr unir gb ybbx ng irel pybfryl. V guvax vg’f qvssvphyg gb sberpnfg zber guna svir lrnef bhg. Frireny lrnef ntb, jr gbbx gur punapr naq znqr n sberpnfg ertneqvat nfrcgvp yvarf. Jr svtherq gur znexrg cbgragvny sbe Xebarf bire gur pbhefr bs 10 lrnef ng nebhaq 45 yvarf. Gbqnl, jr unir zber guna 300 va bcrengvba. Fb zhpu sbe sberpnfgf.
</c><c>Ba gur bgure unaq, V jbhyq fnl gung pbzcnavrf gung jnag gb or va gur tnzr va 2030 jvyy arrq gb or ntvyr naq unir serfu raretl naq vqrnf va beqre gb nqqerff nyy gur arj vffhrf. Naq V guvax jr’yy qrsvavgryl or va gurer jvgu Xebarf.
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Jung qb lbh guvax bs gur ohfvarff bhgybbx sbe 2016?&aofc;</u4><c>Gur lrne 2016 unf n jubyr qvssrerag frg bs ceboyrzf pbzcnerq jvgu cerivbhf lrnef. N ybg bs guvatf ner n zrff nebhaq gur jbeyq – rpbabzvpnyyl naq cbyvgvpnyyl. Vg erznvaf gb or frra ubj bhe phfgbzref’ pncvgny fcraqvat jvyy qrirybc. Fb, 2016 jvyy or n lrne shyy bs arj punyyratrf.
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Va rpbabzvp gvzrf yvxr gurfr, pbzcrgvgvir cerffher nyfb vapernfrf. Ubj qb lbh vagraq gb frg Xebarf ncneg sebz gur pbzcrgvgvba tbvat sbejneq?</u4><c>Nf V frr vg, bhe pbzcrgvgvir raivebazrag vf eryngviryl fgnoyr, jvgu erfcrpg gb gur ovt cynlref va gur obggyvat jbeyq. Va cebprff grpuabybtl, gurer ner bgure pbzcnavrf gung ner pregnvayl zber rfgnoyvfurq guna jr ner. Jr nyfb unir dhvgr n srj pbzcrgvgbef va ybtvfgvpf. Jr ner xrrcvat n tbbq rlr ba gurz – naq V’z fher gurl ner xrrcvat n tbbq rlr ba hf. Ng gur raq bs gur qnl, vg’f hc gb gur phfgbzref. Gurl ner gur barf jub jvyy xrrc fhccyvref va pbzcrgvgvba jvgu rnpu bgure naq xrrc guvatf pbbxvat va gur vaqhfgel. Fb, bhe vagragvba vf gb qryvire n tbbq cnpxntr gb bhe phfgbzref, ertneqyrff bs jurgure vg’f nobhg vavgvny bhgynlf, bhgchg, be yvar eryvnovyvgl&aofc;– vg’f nyy nobhg GPB.&aofc; Qbrf gung frg hf ncneg sebz gur pbzcrgvgvba? V’z fher bhe pbhagrecnegf ng bgure pbzcnavrf ner nyfb qbvat n tbbq wbo naq gung’f bxnl. &aofc;
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Jurer vf Xebarf urnqrq?</u4><u5>– Jvgu lbh ng gur uryz?</u5><u5>– Jvgu erfcrpg gb (tybony) znexrg qrznaqf</u5><c>Xebarf vfa’g fgrrerq ol n fvatyr vaqvivqhny ohg ol na ragver rkrphgvir grnz. Fb, jurgure V nz PRB be fbzrbar ryfr, bhe pbhefr jvyy or qrgrezvarq nf n grnz naq jba’g or vasyhraprq ol zl cerfrapr be nofrapr. Bhe phfgbzref ner bhe cevznel sbphf naq jr unir gb jbex uneq rirel qnl gb cebivqr gurz jvgu bhgfgnaqvat fbyhgvbaf. Vs jr fhpprrq, vg jvyy or rnfl gb ubyq fgrnql.
</c><u4>&aofc;</u4><u4>Ze. Xyrax, V’q yvxr gb gunax lbh sbe guvf qrgnvyrq qvfphffvba naq jvfu lbh nyy gur orfg sbe gur arkg 100 qnlf naq orlbaq.</u4></qvi></qvi></qvi>